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what's up everybody thanks for joining

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witness citizen today on wednesday

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uh we have a fantastic guest today

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um his name is john greenwald

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and he is uh the man behind black vault

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and i'm sure you're familiar with that

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um

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as you know he's i think it's the

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largest collection

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of documents um so if you're a

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researcher i'm sure you tapped into that

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a little bit

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um yeah so just wanted to let you know

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what we're up to today there is a super

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chat i encourage you to use it although

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the questions i can't promise i'll get

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to them

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um i prefer to keep everything as

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natural as possible then if there's time

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at the end

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um i'll definitely get to those so

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as long as that's all right with you uh

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i'll be back

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[Music]

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all right pretty sweet intro hey i just

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wanted to say hi og skywatch jack get

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kick

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robert how are you guys um

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see how we're living what's up i know we

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got some more people in here

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if you're here please like share and

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subscribe

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um that really helps it really does so

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without further ado

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i bring in the man of the hour mr john

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greenwald how are you today

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i'm good man thanks for uh thanks for

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having me i appreciate it it's good to

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be here

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yeah no problem thanks for taking the

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time i do appreciate it i mean it seems

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like you've been

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um busy to say the least so

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you know a little bit uh here and there

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mostly just relaxing

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[Laughter]

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yeah well i mean the reason i said that

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is because you are all

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caught up in uh the latest uh

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how do you call it the talk soup of ufo

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tmz yeah the uh the gossip rumor mill

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yeah that that generally happens yeah

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yeah so

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i noticed that you got the email that

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confirmed it was about 17 pages

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and obviously everybody not everybody

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but there's

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characters out there saying different

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numbers i guess to be

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kind of cut and dry is there any way

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possible that what they emailed you

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could mean any other number in any other

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sure uh in in the

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the short way to answer your question i

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i believe not

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but here's here's why so this is not

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not not not a spokesperson that gave me

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that that is definitely thought of

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by many people that are throwing you

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know shots my way

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saying no no they're just a spokesperson

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lying that is

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this is not a spokesperson rather this

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is the person in charge of the group

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that handles cases like i filed this

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isn't even through the freedom of

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information act this is called a

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mandatory declassification review

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something totally different it's part of

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the code of federal regulations each

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agency is different

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but essentially what you can do is

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request that certain information

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documents reports videos photographs

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whatever go

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under a what's called mandatory

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essentially they look at it figure out

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is it classified and can they release it

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if it's not exempted

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now the reason why i'm kind of giving

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you a little bit of a longer answer

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is because that case that legal case

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that i initiated the morning after

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the classified uh report or annex or

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whatever you want to call it was handed

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i filed the case i have updates that say

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the written portion

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of what was handed over to congress was

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17 pages so does that mean it's

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something else

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well according to this case and in the

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eyes of the law

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no now is there a different 70 plus page

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draft is there a 400 page whatever

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although i think that that number was a

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little bit um uh too astronomical but

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regardless are there are are there other

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of course that that that's not what i'm

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saying what i'm saying is what was

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physically handed over to congress my

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asking for that they say it's 17 pages

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um you know anyone else it seems like

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there's always semantics at play

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you to stay grounded and sift

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uh and you have to find the line between

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truly are played because they are played

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not skirt into the territory that

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everything is semantic so you just don't

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that's a very dangerous approach too

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to where then you know you're just anti

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anything that comes from the government

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and that kind of translates to you're

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just anti-anything that comes from the

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government that you don't like to hear

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right you know and i think that that's

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what a lot of people suffer from

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and i've tried very hard to to stay away

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from and sometimes

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you can't help but go hmm are they lying

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something else we all do it you know i'm

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not saying everybody else does it and

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exception we all do it but

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not everything is semantics you know and

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and so you have to find that happy line

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they do play that game so you got to

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figure out what would be semantics but

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not go to the extreme sure

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um are you kind of left conflicted

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dealing with the government as a whole

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when you're in a situation

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where they delete all those elizondo

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emails you've been fighting so hard for

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for years which i feel awful for you

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by the way and and then

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even well away from ufos that they lie

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this is where generally a lot of people

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like me for saying this they have told

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the truth more times than they've lied

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so at what point do you find that happy

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that narrative and that's a huge

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challenge even after 25 years for me

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it's challenging because you're

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conflicted on do you believe this one

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are they lying on this one you know and

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it's it's challenging and i

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and i'm not gonna lie and and say the

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government is truthful all the time

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but again the other end of that extreme

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say is a lie and if people believe that

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it's it's odd to see that the same

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voices that are very vocal about that

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report prior to it being published

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so it's like well if the government is

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lying to you all the time why do you

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which i like to stay very active in and

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and pay attention to what people are

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where people's mindset are and what are

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and so on and it also helps drive me

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like well what do people

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want to know more about you know and i

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more of of what they want to hear but

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it's it's very interesting when you do

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pay attention to that

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anything the government says but in the

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same breath say i can't wait for this

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so it's it's a it's an interesting time

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we live in because we have to again

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separate a lot of these issues rather

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seeing is people that i mean there is a

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sense of need to believe

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for sure but then there is also a sense

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of just complete confusion given to us

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by the government and both kind as it

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i don't know a skeptic or

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or a believer you could really say the

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when you trust and when you don't trust

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it's just in different ways i guess you

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yeah and and you bring up an interesting

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again when do you trust because i just

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tweeted this out

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i think it was early this morning uh but

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the other day but the

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counterintelligence value

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to this issue is a gold mine and and

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what what i mean by that

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is that there is a certain percentage of

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the uap

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phenomena according to the military

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anyway that they just are they have no

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idea what it is

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they can't identify it they're pursuing

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it they have a task force investigating

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identify and and the counterintelligence

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aspect that i feel is a big value in

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case that confused anybody

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is the fact that this topic can be used

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whether it be confused the general

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public about what the government

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military

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really is doing here in america confuse

290
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our friends and foes alike around the

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world on a global scale

292
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with what do we have and look russia's

293
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doing the exact same thing where they're

294
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starting to

295
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essentially taunt uh this this drive by

296
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america to research ufos

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and i think they're i forget what agency

298
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it was in russia but they

299
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you know put this thing out and

300
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essentially hint at

301
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it's much more simpler than we all want

302
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it to be

303
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and essentially trying to to hint that

304
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maybe it's their technology

305
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all of that is counterintelligence all

306
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of that has value

307
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all of that is cause for confusion all

308
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of that

309
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is a game and and they're absolutely

310
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right i'm a chess player to use a chess

311
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but i

312
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i love playing chess and so too yeah

313
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absolutely and so to use a chess piece

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was brilliant

315
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you know i mean because that's what all

316
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of this is it's a

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massive chess game so even though

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there's a portion of the uap

319
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i call you uap phenomena but there's a

320
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portion of uaps

321
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uh i know that's grammatically incorrect

322
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but whatever

323
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we all we're all on the same page there

324
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right so there's a portion of that that

325
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that yes is absolutely

326
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a mystery but the bigger portion is used

327
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in that chess match and that's what i

328
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mean by the value of

329
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of counter intelligence yeah that's i

330
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mean one of the

331
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i think it was one of the first reports

332
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i saw

333
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when i was digging for documents in the

334
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cia foia reading room i think it was

335
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um i've it was like it's some sort of

336
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intern

337
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like meeting or something they were

338
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having and they wanted to start

339
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a group of advisor scientific whatever

340
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and one of the things that they listed

341
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as

342
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you know something to look into and

343
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figure out is if this phenomenon can be

344
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used

345
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against each other and psychological

346
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warfare was also another one

347
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that was you know thought about and when

348
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i see russia and the chess piece that's

349
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exactly what i think

350
00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:45,760
yeah yeah yeah and you better believe if

351
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we see it from the russians

352
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america is doing it too and and likely

353
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doing it better and and so then that

354
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raises

355
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a whole other slew of questions is what

356
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are they doing

357
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with this topic and in what way are they

358
00:13:01,829 --> 00:13:00,880
lying when they say we have no idea what

359
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these things are

360
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are they telling the truth are they you

361
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know like right

362
00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:07,040
which way do you go with it but but

363
00:13:11,509 --> 00:13:09,760
again it is an absolute chess match

364
00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:11,519
that meanwhile we're all kind of stuck

365
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here in the middle of filling in blanks

366
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with almost either what we want it to be

367
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or what we fear you know that's right

368
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yeah

369
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i guess is the government could step in

370
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at any time and and

371
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you know stop a lot of this trivial

372
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stuff but

373
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but they won't yeah but they because

374
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because i think that there's a ben

375
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there's a benefit to it you know i think

376
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that that it absolutely

377
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benefits them to keep the confusion

378
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whether the confusion

379
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is real or not it's still a benefit yeah

380
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and you you know more than me looking at

381
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looking back at old documents

382
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the same descriptors used over the

383
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course of 80 years

384
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it you know it's no wonder that people

385
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hang on for so long um and don't just

386
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kind of get frustrated

387
00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:05,199
with it but let me ask you this

388
00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:08,000
what was your first um what was the

389
00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:09,760
thing that really

390
00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:13,199
um started a fire in you to go

391
00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:14,720
more towards the route you're going now

392
00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:17,760
as far as foia documents all that

393
00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:21,040
going back to the beginning yeah so

394
00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:24,079
i was 15 years old and and honestly the

395
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:26,639
quickest way to explain it is curiosity

396
00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:30,240
sure and i was i started with ufos i was

397
00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:32,720
massively curious about what was out

398
00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:33,360
there and

399
00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:37,040
and this was prior to you know being

400
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:38,720
being able to google you know i mean now

401
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:41,040
we use it as an action word but

402
00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:42,959
this was when alta vista was at its

403
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:44,800
heyday you know and i think ask

404
00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:47,199
jeeves was around yes and so i remember

405
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:49,440
that that's going old school

406
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:52,800
yeah so so even back then you know you

407
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:54,240
had hundreds and hundreds of thousands

408
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:56,160
of websites on ufos and i didn't know

409
00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,199
really what to believe and so

410
00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:01,680
i stumbled across this four-page

411
00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:02,720
government document

412
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:05,600
it was infamously known in the ufo field

413
00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:08,399
as the 1976 iran incident

414
00:15:12,150 --> 00:15:10,240
and i didn't i read through it i did not

415
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:12,160
believe it was real at all i thought

416
00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:13,519
there's no way

417
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:15,279
that this is a government document that

418
00:15:18,629 --> 00:15:16,560
they will give you because the

419
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:18,639
government wanted you to believe

420
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:20,800
there's nothing to the ufo phenomena

421
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,560
they investigated it you know it's

422
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:24,000
essentially all explained

423
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,440
and you read this thing and you're like

424
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:28,160
wow this is this is pretty mind-blowing

425
00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:30,800
so this website taught you that you can

426
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:31,360
get it

427
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:32,800
for free from the government through

428
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:33,839
this thing called the freedom of

429
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:35,199
information act

430
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,920
had no idea what that was printed out

431
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:39,600
the template letter you know and

432
00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:42,079
after i filled in my name and then sent

433
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:43,040
off this template

434
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:44,480
and sure enough that four page

435
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:46,000
government document came about a month

436
00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:47,040
later it only

437
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:49,440
took about three and a half weeks and uh

438
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:50,959
i wish time frames were

439
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,240
were still like that back in 96

440
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:56,480
but that was that was it for me i was

441
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:58,399
hooked and and started

442
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,079
teaching myself the foia because i

443
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,480
learned how to uh obviously use that

444
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:04,560
template at first but but build off of

445
00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:05,199
that

446
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,959
figure out different ways to get

447
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:09,440
information different agencies

448
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:12,079
and while i was waiting for ufos went

449
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:12,639
after

450
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:15,120
all sorts of other stuff whether it be

451
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:17,920
jfk assassination biological weapons

452
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,320
it's a bad idea to make me bored because

453
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,000
i find something to fill

454
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,000
the time yeah so i wouldn't always start

455
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,000
at chess i was like i was gonna learn

456
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,040
everything yeah yeah no that's it so

457
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:31,279
yeah well that's great i i hope you

458
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:32,720
don't mind telling it uh

459
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:36,880
no not at all um yeah it's a great story

460
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:37,199
and

461
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:40,160
yeah uh documentation really yeah in the

462
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:41,519
end

463
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:44,320
is kind of your joker it's like hey you

464
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:45,600
said it not me

465
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:48,959
right yeah and that's what fascinates me

466
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,000
about it is because

467
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:53,040
you can irrefutably irrefutably

468
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,079
prove the ufo cover-up using only their

469
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,759
own information that they give you

470
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:00,399
and in my opinion using only the

471
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:02,320
information that they give you

472
00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:05,360
you can't necessarily i would say 100

473
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,280
definitively prove this is all alien and

474
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,400
extraterrestrially connected

475
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,199
but rather you keep it on the list and

476
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:14,880
you can't rule it out

477
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,880
based on their own evidence and so

478
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,559
that's why i love it because when you

479
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,720
use that official documentation

480
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,039
contrary to popular belief i don't think

481
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:24,640
it's the end-all be-all

482
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:27,919
but that is a a unbelievably strong

483
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:29,120
foundation

484
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:31,600
to build upon and then when you do talk

485
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,799
about people that

486
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:34,480
either are former government former

487
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,400
military or just everyday

488
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,039
people that have experiences that

489
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,880
foundation you can cross-reference you

490
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,760
can figure out

491
00:17:45,029 --> 00:17:43,919
and build upon it and that's why i love

492
00:17:48,669 --> 00:17:45,039
love this

493
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:48,679
this aspect to it that's that is

494
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,679
fantastic have you ever

495
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,520
are there still good documents to find

496
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,679
in foyer reading rooms or

497
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,000
do you start there and then go to foia

498
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,080
or how does that process work

499
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,320
so the foia reading rooms they never

500
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,240
really existed when i started

501
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,679
um the government when they passed the

502
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,440
electronic freedom of information act

503
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:11,280
which was roughly about 96 i think it

504
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,000
was

505
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:14,160
if memory serves that essentially

506
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:16,000
started mandating a couple different

507
00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:17,919
different things which included these

508
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:19,600
foia reading rooms

509
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,400
and it took in some cases like years for

510
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,799
them to actually put them online

511
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:27,039
and it really kind of fell flat some

512
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:28,000
agencies are really

513
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:31,120
good and they just like post uh a ton

514
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,080
of material and other agencies are

515
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:36,080
horrible they've been updated once in

516
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:38,480
the last like decade and a half

517
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:41,760
and yeah

518
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,760
the dia i think is another one if i

519
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:45,440
remember what their reading room looks

520
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:46,160
like but just

521
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,120
very very few updates and then i think

522
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:51,600
it's the nrc which just has this

523
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,559
overwhelming amount of information uh

524
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:56,000
where they just like they post like

525
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:58,000
everything and and they just dump it on

526
00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:59,440
there and so that

527
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:01,520
that's good in a way but also sometimes

528
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,640
it creates other

529
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,559
challenges which i won't get into but

530
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,000
yeah it's um

531
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,720
uh it varies across the board so to go

532
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,480
back to your question do you start there

533
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,400
absolutely i mean it's always good to

534
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,720
if you're going to foia the nsa or the

535
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,799
cia or dia or whomever

536
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,480
you know to check out what do they have

537
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:20,559
on their foia reading room

538
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,840
but what they don't advertise and this

539
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:25,840
is important to anybody who dabbles in

540
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,320
foia

541
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,000
and it took me years to realize this on

542
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,520
the fbi website

543
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,160
what they don't really advertise is that

544
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,000
their reading room is potentially not

545
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,120
it and the fbi i'll use that as an

546
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:39,679
example i collect fbi files and i have

547
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,400
literally hundreds of thousands of fbi

548
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,160
files on

549
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:47,280
tons of people celebrities former ufo

550
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:48,240
figures

551
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,880
abductees even the mj-12 members

552
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,200
just like the list goes on and on so i

553
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,799
collect these things well if they're on

554
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,880
what the fbi launched as their reading

555
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,400
room they renamed it

556
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:03,600
the vault uh a couple years ago

557
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,720
yeah they saw that yeah yeah um it was

558
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,400
confusing

559
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,280
it confused me too flattering in a way

560
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:13,039
but not so much i mean i don't own the

561
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,440
word

562
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,440
vault obviously but it was just a very

563
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,200
interesting parallel but

564
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:20,159
be that as it may so what i learned was

565
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:20,559
let's

566
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,400
uh i'll use marilyn monroe's file as an

567
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,520
example

568
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,440
so i've had that file for years they

569
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,200
eventually put it on the fbi

570
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:31,760
reading room and so on and so forth what

571
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,799
they don't tell you

572
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,960
is that the reading room is not complete

573
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,880
so they make it look like when you

574
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,880
download marilyn monroe's fbi file

575
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,000
that's everything

576
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:43,120
or you download let's say martin luther

577
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,960
king jr's file that that's everything

578
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:46,000
and it's not

579
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,840
so what i've done is has gone back to

580
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,840
some of the bigger files and requested

581
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:51,120
from the fbi

582
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,320
everything on whatever individual but

583
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:56,240
only request the documents that are not

584
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:56,799
currently

585
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:59,440
on the vault and what's interesting

586
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,840
they're

587
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,080
fbi vault by the way and what's very

588
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,400
interesting is they will yield responses

589
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,720
meaning there are records that are still

590
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,840
in their holdings

591
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,760
that have not seen the light of day

592
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,200
cattle mutilations

593
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:13,520
was one of the bigger finds where they

594
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,400
make you think

595
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,559
everything on cattle mutilations is on

596
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,520
their website

597
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,919
it's not and i got records had never

598
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,600
seen the light of day before

599
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,520
and it was interesting because in my

600
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,640
opinion

601
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,240
these were one of the better ones where

602
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,320
they were profiling a case

603
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:31,039
of cattle mutilations where a helicopter

604
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:32,080
came in

605
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,400
uh essentially grabbed a cow took it off

606
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,320
took off took it away and and the

607
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,679
mutilation took place

608
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,600
so they tried to say that it was pretty

609
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,799
much pranksters

610
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:45,120
flying this bell certain model bell

611
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,320
helicopter

612
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,480
well all of that sounds very plausible

613
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,480
like it potentially could happen

614
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,080
but if you actually research the bell

615
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,320
helicopter it could not carry

616
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:57,039
an adult bull it didn't have the lift

617
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,080
capacity

618
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,440
and so it's like well what are the odds

619
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,799
that they keep this one away that

620
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,960
they're trying to pass these silly

621
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,200
explanations off up the food chain

622
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,400
within the fbi

623
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,480
but to the general public they say you

624
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,840
who look over here

625
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,440
but in reality it's the one that they

626
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,960
kept hidden over here

627
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,960
that was more of the of the interesting

628
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,799
one and so those are the types of

629
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,400
discoveries that you

630
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:21,280
you learn that you don't take their word

631
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,159
for it

632
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,520
or don't assume anything and that's

633
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,000
that's that's what i would uh say to

634
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,840
anybody dabbling in foia and looking at

635
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,280
those reading rooms

636
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,360
the the old saying comes up a lot in

637
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,679
this topic don't assume anything because

638
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:36,799
it makes an ass

639
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,520
you and me that's right yep it's your

640
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,559
show i didn't want to use that

641
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,600
expression so you you can say it

642
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:44,799
that's fine but that's one of my

643
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:47,679
favorite expressions um

644
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,039
what i wanted to you know i like to kind

645
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,559
of let conversations go

646
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,120
where they will you mention cattle

647
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,080
mutilations

648
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:59,360
what's your take on that it seems first

649
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,840
of all

650
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,679
they're always for the most part just

651
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,080
clean cuts no blood

652
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,559
um out in the middle of nowhere no

653
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,159
tracks like

654
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,600
is is this a ritual is it a alien like

655
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,200
what could this be

656
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,200
so i don't consider myself a cattle

657
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,200
mutilation researcher but i will

658
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,120
tell this quick story uh which you might

659
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,400
find interesting i don't

660
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,840
know how many times i've told it before

661
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,960
but early on in my television career

662
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,120
i worked a lot as a producer and writer

663
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,200
and director on various projects

664
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,880
and one of the first ones i worked on

665
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,280
was a history channel show

666
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,760
as part of their ufo files series so

667
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,919
this was before ufo hunters

668
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,840
i worked on that as a producer in season

669
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,360
three but prior to that

670
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,520
this was an older series it was awesome

671
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,360
they were one hour documentaries

672
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,840
kind of cheesy and old school in today's

673
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,960
standards but

674
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:51,039
they were a lot of fun to do and one of

675
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,480
the first ones i worked on was on cattle

676
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,679
mutilations

677
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,320
and i remember i had known linda for

678
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,919
many years at this point and so

679
00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:00,159
of course you know you gotta call linda

680
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:01,200
if you're talking about cattle

681
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,320
mutilations

682
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,520
and so uh she and i you know touched

683
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,480
base about it

684
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,200
we started um uh talking about including

685
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,559
her in this documentary

686
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,320
well in the in the process of

687
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,840
pre-production when you're kind of

688
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,279
planning everything

689
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,880
we had everything written out it was

690
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:18,400
ready to roll

691
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,080
and right before uh i believe it was

692
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,679
linda had called us and said that there

693
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:26,240
was a case in nebraska

694
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,679
brand new cattle mutilation down all the

695
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,600
the normal signs that something strange

696
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,799
was going to happen

697
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,120
or that something strange happened and

698
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:36,880
all the characteristics were there

699
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,840
and so she calls us and the entire show

700
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,559
changed

701
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,559
we immediately got the executives on the

702
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,760
phone we said look

703
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,200
this is a way to get in the field and

704
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,200
this was before reality tv

705
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,080
really took off i mean especially for

706
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:51,600
history channel they just weren't doing

707
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,080
it

708
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,840
which i prefer

709
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:58,720
and so that was the documentary but then

710
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,440
this

711
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,679
dead cow was down how could you say no

712
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,480
to that

713
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,880
we got approval to switch everything got

714
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,559
linda on a plane

715
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,240
our crew got on a plane we went out to

716
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,000
nebraska shot the whole thing

717
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,559
and so the whole show changed now why i

718
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,000
say all this

719
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,720
is that exploring for that show and

720
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,080
creating

721
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:20,159
even if it's a one-hour documentary you

722
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,120
put so many

723
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:24,320
hours into looking at whatever you're

724
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,520
you're dealing with

725
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,279
and in this particular case looking at

726
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:29,039
the cattle mutilation phenomena was

727
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,320
fascinating for me

728
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,320
because i just had no background in it

729
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:34,000
you know i was into ufos and

730
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,360
i was doing the black vault for many

731
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,200
years already and

732
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,120
was was pursuing those angles but cattle

733
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:41,039
mutilations that was linda molten howe

734
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,600
and

735
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,720
a very short other list of of people

736
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,480
uh so she's not the end-all be-all

737
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,240
either by the way uh

738
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,279
i we used a couple other people but

739
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,880
i'm using her as the example because she

740
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,200
was the in the field investigator that

741
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,200
we shot

742
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,520
for a history channel so to see that and

743
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,240
and to

744
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,279
explore the phenomena you realize

745
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,080
you know does is this satanic rituals

746
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,159
like you were saying is that all it is

747
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,520
i mean maybe but you don't have

748
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,520
an exceptional amount of information to

749
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:15,120
support that you know i mean i'm sure

750
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,159
you have

751
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,760
select evidence here and there but

752
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,679
collectively as a whole

753
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,840
it's it's just not it's just not there

754
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,720
and then

755
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,559
fast forward quite a few years after we

756
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:25,760
did that show

757
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:28,559
i made that that discovery with the fbi

758
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,120
uh

759
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,799
and the bell helicopter and that whole

760
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,200
thing it makes you wonder how much

761
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:36,159
else is there that maybe they're not

762
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,960
acknowledging

763
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,360
or maybe that they're exempting or maybe

764
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:41,360
it's not within their arms reach so they

765
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,000
think

766
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,880
okay we've given greenwald everything

767
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,400
all of those are big possibilities

768
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:47,760
because i have cases that i can

769
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,320
reference

770
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,159
where all of that has happened where

771
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,000
they say they have nothing and they

772
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,400
actually do or they say they gave you

773
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,320
everything and they actually didn't

774
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,400
so all of those are on the table but it

775
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,679
really does make you think

776
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,559
about cattle mutilations as as sometimes

777
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,480
as silly as that sounds

778
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,880
official documentation supports there's

779
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,960
really no feasible explanation to deal

780
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,240
with at all

781
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,080
yeah and it seems like that's kind of

782
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:14,240
the case with the phenomenon as well

783
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:18,640
at times um yeah

784
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,310
um i know it's really hard to be black

785
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,840
and white with an answer for something

786
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,039
like this

787
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:32,399
and i'll start with the simple question

788
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,000
do you right now believe

789
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,120
that uh uaps

790
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,120
uap is real and it's general

791
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,399
it could be anything i guess

792
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:49,120
do i believe uaps are real yeah

793
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:50,080
absolutely

794
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,549
and it kind of broke up you're you're

795
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,120
saying aliens and what about aliens yeah

796
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:01,039
the interdimensional or from another

797
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,640
planet or whatever gotcha sorry there

798
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:04,159
was an audio hit right when you said it

799
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,120
and i wanted to make sure

800
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,279
i was following you so when it comes to

801
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,120
aliens i'm not a hundred percent i'm

802
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,760
i'm a nuts and bolts i need to see to

803
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,360
believe kind of guy

804
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:16,000
now uh have i ruled it out absolutely

805
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,200
not do i feel

806
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,279
it is on the bottom of the list where

807
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,360
someone like mick west kind of says

808
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,600
you know sure it's a possibility but way

809
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,559
down here

810
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,159
i don't consider it on the bottom of the

811
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,000
list either i believe that there's

812
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,399
actually a big possibility here

813
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,840
but that that opens up a ton

814
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,240
of other unanswered questions which

815
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,520
fascinate me to no

816
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,080
end that in my opinion goes beyond the

817
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,520
phenomena where

818
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,120
you start talking about intelligent

819
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,279
civilizations alien life out there

820
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,200
if they are here and we are here then

821
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,640
there are likely billions of

822
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,840
civilizations

823
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,840
that we could be talking with so then

824
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,279
that poses the question of would they

825
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:54,559
even care we're here

826
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:57,760
and and yes i know that that

827
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,720
that is not a popular um question to

828
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,240
tackle when you think

829
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,880
that they're not good enough yes tyson

830
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,840
said it yeah

831
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,600
exactly and but here's the thing with

832
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,159
with dr tyson and i tweeted at him after

833
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,559
that i worked with with dr tyson

834
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,080
and and i've said this a couple times

835
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,760
and i'll and i'll continue to say it i

836
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,799
really like him

837
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,360
i worked with him he's funny he's super

838
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,159
intelligent

839
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,880
i have zero complaints but where he

840
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:25,200
approaches the ufo topic and how he

841
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,320
approaches it

842
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,520
is not scientific so for him to say that

843
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,679
and to say that it was egotistical for

844
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,559
humans to

845
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,880
to think that way you can't just

846
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,360
automatically go there and dismiss

847
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,080
everything and the analogy that i use is

848
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,159
the antel analogy which i love

849
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,720
and and that is essentially um where i

850
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,240
agree with dr tyson

851
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,960
the majority of humanity does not care

852
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:50,960
to march out into the middle of the

853
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,080
sahara desert and plant a u.s flag or a

854
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,360
flag for humanity

855
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,080
and say you're an intelligent species we

856
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,760
want to communicate with you

857
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,520
we're going to share our technology with

858
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,200
you and then we'll we'll learn

859
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:05,679
uh from from whatever you can offer well

860
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:06,240
that

861
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,399
where i kind of see eye to eye with

862
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,679
with that that concept by dr tyson but

863
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,320
my rebuttal which is where i feel he was

864
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:17,840
not scientific

865
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,240
is there still is a fraction of humanity

866
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:24,240
albeit a small one but a fraction of

867
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,360
humanity

868
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,760
that does want to march out there and

869
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,000
does want to sit next to that ant hill

870
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,880
and does want to stop that ant hill from

871
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,720
warring from a

872
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,640
from warring with a neighboring termite

873
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,399
colony and that that

874
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,080
small percentage of people they want to

875
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,000
sit there and understand ants

876
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,760
and how they built their colony and what

877
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,840
their mating habits are and do they

878
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,279
communicate and how

879
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,200
what's their structure inside that

880
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,240
colony that is a very small but albeit

881
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,399
very important aspect to

882
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,480
who we are as humans we want to

883
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,840
understand

884
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,320
certain aspects of other life forms so

885
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,360
we can't say

886
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,200
even though i partially agree with it

887
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:05,279
that all aliens just wouldn't care about

888
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:05,919
us

889
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,080
very similar way

890
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,880
you'll have a very small percentage that

891
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,159
will want to come here

892
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,279
regardless of them being super advanced

893
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
and highly intelligent that they will

894
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,440
want to come here and learn

895
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,120
so i kind of played devil's advocate

896
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,120
with myself a little bit

897
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,360
but in the same respect i i have to deal

898
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,360
with it from a

899
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,000
i would say a juxtaposition with us here

900
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,840
on earth because if the evolution out

901
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:34,880
there

902
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:38,240
for intelligence is similar to how it is

903
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,039
here

904
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,799
then that's kind of how i approach it

905
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:42,960
until until proven otherwise

906
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,919
yeah no that's a that's a fair and

907
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,200
respectable way to

908
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,240
approach it with the subject it's so

909
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,279
um you're so easily taken into many

910
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,640
different directions so

911
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,279
whatever you can do to stay grounded i

912
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,399
think is important

913
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,960
uh with neil degrasse tyson if i feel

914
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:03,120
like um

915
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,640
yeah i feel like at some point

916
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:09,760
tone uh unintended tone

917
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,880
possibly um plays a role in this and

918
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,159
people get

919
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,360
maybe a worse idea than was intended

920
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,279
does that make sense

921
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,200
like because he's tweeting things about

922
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,440
space aliens and all that but there's no

923
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,440
boom there's no personality

924
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:28,320
so did you get the way that people take

925
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,559
it

926
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,960
you know i i i think that one thing that

927
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,000
has to be

928
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,080
remembered with this when you we read it

929
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:36,000
like a doctor neil degrasse tyson i i

930
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:37,360
don't want him to make it seem like i'm

931
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,399
picking on him

932
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,760
because again i have a lot of respect

933
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,000
for him but people like him the

934
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,720
bill nyes of the science world uh and

935
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,799
and even i would argue dr seth shostak

936
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:48,159
who i've also worked with

937
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:51,039
and very highly respect but what what i

938
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,480
think we have to keep in mind

939
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:55,360
is that these guys are also entertainers

940
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,320
in a way

941
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,799
that they are on television they have

942
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,880
cameras to appeal to

943
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,960
and they're very good i'll take my

944
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,559
researcher hat off for a second

945
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,640
and put my television producer hat on

946
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,600
they're brilliant

947
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,679
they they speak in sound bites they

948
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,120
speak with clarity

949
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:14,240
and what they say is likely funny you

950
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,440
know half the time

951
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,840
uh doctor dr shotzak has a wonderful

952
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,440
sense of humor as well which i

953
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,880
was actually caught off guard by when i

954
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,519
first met him so what i mean by that is

955
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:24,640
they know

956
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,240
make those television producers want to

957
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,919
call them on the next story

958
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,039
and so i'm not saying that they're

959
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,960
fabricating anything or

960
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:37,440
or anything like that but rather they

961
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,320
know

962
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,279
how to stay in the forefront of the

963
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,039
entertainment side of this

964
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,679
and so yes dr tyson i think sacrificed a

965
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,480
bit of his

966
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,960
scientist background for more of that

967
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,799
entertainment and had the

968
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,960
you know the the short punchy tweet

969
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,840
saying oh how

970
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:56,480
egotistical and hahaha and that

971
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,279
resonates

972
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,200
maybe not to you or me or or your

973
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,360
audience but that resonates

974
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,840
to a lot of people out there sadly and

975
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,600
then they will realize oh yeah that's

976
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,799
that's true let's

977
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,879
who cares about the ufo thing dr tyson

978
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,480
said it'd be egotistical

979
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,800
and he's right he's smarter than i am

980
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,480
well no that's that's not it

981
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,800
but he knows that that will resonate to

982
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,760
the masses

983
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,200
and that's what we have to keep in mind

984
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,879
with people like that

985
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,560
i'm more intrigued by the people that

986
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:24,079
aren't in front of the cameras all the

987
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,200
time

988
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,280
in the scientific realm those that are

989
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,200
entertaining the possibilities the dr

990
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,520
avi loebs of that world

991
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,079
i got to interview quite a few uh people

992
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,480
for a discovery channel show that

993
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,560
you again you don't necessarily see on

994
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:39,919
on camera all the time

995
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,119
but got to talk to them about

996
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:43,760
astrobiology and

997
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,639
astronomy and then yes even ufos in some

998
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:47,599
cases

999
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,800
and it's amazing to hear what true

1000
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,079
scientists

1001
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,000
who are not making a living being on

1002
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,240
camera and getting a paycheck hosting

1003
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,400
shows every other day

1004
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,400
it's amazing just to hear and see what

1005
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,079
they what they feel about this

1006
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,359
and i do think that that's very much a

1007
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,160
i would say shielded part of of the

1008
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,160
scientific community because they don't

1009
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,440
want to be

1010
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,520
attacked by a neil degrasse tyson

1011
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,720
because you have this

1012
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,359
powerhouse of a name who's essentially

1013
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:18,960
making fun of the topic

1014
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,839
so then if somebody comes out and and

1015
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:22,880
says something

1016
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,839
you know that's that's potential grounds

1017
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,240
to be ridiculed and i think doctor i

1018
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,000
i don't remember the exact video so i

1019
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:31,760
don't want to speak out a turn here but

1020
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,119
i remember dr avi loeb was on a

1021
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,920
live stream i think and and and help me

1022
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,440
out if you remember this video but i

1023
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:41,520
think that it was dr jill tarter from

1024
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,560
seti

1025
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,320
that they kind of started going at it a

1026
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,079
little bit on this live stream i don't

1027
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,440
know if you ever saw that but

1028
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,359
i didn't see it but i know people were

1029
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,280
rebutting his theory pretty quick so i

1030
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,560
could imagine that happening

1031
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,800
yeah and and that's that's kind of what

1032
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,800
i'm referring to here is that you do

1033
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,000
have these

1034
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,560
these debates that could be very healthy

1035
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,520
and and very

1036
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,160
interesting to watch but rather those

1037
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,560
that are willing to go out on a limb

1038
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,880
are more ridiculed and chastised for it

1039
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,720
and that's what needs to

1040
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,880
to end when it comes to the scientific

1041
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,760
uh

1042
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,680
standpoint so are you saying some of

1043
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,200
these scientists that are

1044
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,839
let's say in the dark or you know not

1045
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,520
trying to have their voices known no

1046
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:23,599
one's asking them to speak

1047
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,480
um there's is there a consensus that

1048
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,440
there may be

1049
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,359
something there at least to further

1050
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,470
yeah in my experience i and again i

1051
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,920
haven't talked to every scientist on the

1052
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,079
planet or anything but yeah

1053
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,880
but uh i know i know it's a shocking uh

1054
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,560
revelation but

1055
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,440
you know the select few that i've

1056
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,520
interviewed and been very lucky to to

1057
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,440
get on different shows

1058
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,520
where you where you do that

1059
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,040
pre-production stage

1060
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,440
you sometimes spend you know hours on

1061
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,040
the phone with people

1062
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,720
and then when you get them on camera you

1063
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,200
spend another hour or two and then sadly

1064
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,560
you only see them for three and a half

1065
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,560
minutes in a one-hour show you know and

1066
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,000
it gets cut way down

1067
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,400
but those off the record slash cameras

1068
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,240
aren't rolling conversations you start

1069
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:12,160
to realize that

1070
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,920
scientists at least some are much more

1071
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,800
open to

1072
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:19,440
to these types of what others would call

1073
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,320
fringe

1074
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:23,520
they're more open to it but they like

1075
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,160
myself

1076
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,920
i'm not a scientist but but but very

1077
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,440
much like myself just want a little bit

1078
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,720
more evidence

1079
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,880
and it's a double-edged sword how do you

1080
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,920
get more evidence

1081
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,079
if you're apprehensive to come out and

1082
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,480
say i want ufo evidence

1083
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,720
you know and you can't you those things

1084
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,240
don't go hand in hand

1085
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,440
so that apprehension has to go away

1086
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:46,160
the ridicule and chastising has to go

1087
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,880
away

1088
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:49,520
you know the the punchy one or two liner

1089
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,000
tweets

1090
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,400
that sure get tens of thousands of

1091
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:54,400
retweets and comments and so on and so

1092
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,040
forth

1093
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,160
those have to go away because i hope and

1094
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,760
i'm a big advocate

1095
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,839
for telling people that are in the

1096
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,320
scientific world that are on television

1097
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,880
and are now valuing entertainment over

1098
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760
science

1099
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,520
i'm an advocate for pointing it out

1100
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,200
saying you're sacrificing your

1101
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,720
scientific background

1102
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,119
in in exchange for entertainment and

1103
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,040
with this topic or topics like

1104
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,440
it you just can't do that yeah that was

1105
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:21,200
a that's a really interesting take that

1106
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:21,760
you had

1107
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:25,119
as far as reasons to make those little

1108
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,000
tweets

1109
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,680
uh because whether you you know it it

1110
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,440
sparks an emotion in you if you're

1111
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:33,119
involved in this topic one way or

1112
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,920
another

1113
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,560
whether it's i hate that you said that

1114
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,079
or i like that you said that

1115
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:41,119
so it makes perfect sense um that's

1116
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,320
something like that

1117
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:45,040
could lead to further involvement in

1118
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,240
major media

1119
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,280
yeah they cover this topic um you know

1120
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,680
which is unfortunate that major media

1121
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,839
would make a decision like that

1122
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,880
uh but goes to show you why um they

1123
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,000
cover the stuff they do

1124
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:01,280
i guess yeah yeah at the end of the day

1125
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,480
it's entertainment

1126
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,800
yeah you know it really is it translates

1127
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,040
to clicks it translates to which then

1128
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,960
translates to money and for some

1129
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,040
outlets that's the intent and so they

1130
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,440
will they meaning the the mainstream

1131
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,560
media makes things worse by sacrificing

1132
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:19,119
journalistic integrity yeah in exchange

1133
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:20,560
for entertainment

1134
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:23,920
and i think the last three years i think

1135
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,520
if if if this whole saga has taught us

1136
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,560
anything

1137
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,040
in the last few years when it comes to

1138
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,800
the mainstream media is they will

1139
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,200
sacrifice that journalistic integrity

1140
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,520
and and and that's another thing i harp

1141
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,520
on a lot about because

1142
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:41,760
the mainstream media is incredibly

1143
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,640
powerful

1144
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:45,359
and it can sway minds it can sway an

1145
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:46,240
election

1146
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,160
it can it can inject ideas into a

1147
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,000
society with a headline

1148
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,240
and and that's the power of it and so

1149
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,200
when you come

1150
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,440
to something like ufos which deserves a

1151
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,880
lot more

1152
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,599
attention but serious and accurate

1153
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,480
attention

1154
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,079
uh and they just don't care and they

1155
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,079
just put whatever headline out there and

1156
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,640
and and truth be darned you know it's

1157
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,560
it's flashy it'll get clicks

1158
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:13,119
we'll we'll issue a correction tomorrow

1159
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,319
that has to stop

1160
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,720
will it no but it has to stop

1161
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,760
nonetheless

1162
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,240
do you think that um there's an

1163
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:21,680
apprehension to cover this

1164
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:24,640
topic perhaps because it is bipartisan

1165
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,119
and they

1166
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,560
fear of agreeing with like um

1167
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,160
anderson cooper agreeing with like a

1168
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,680
tucker carlson

1169
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,240
on something or you know covering it

1170
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,440
after he does

1171
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,880
do you think there's any pettiness

1172
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,640
involved like that i've

1173
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,560
yeah with with the mainstream media

1174
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,400
journalists when you come to the pundits

1175
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,920
and stuff like that

1176
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,720
um i'm sure that there's going to be

1177
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,680
some kind of

1178
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,160
apprehension that if tucker carlson

1179
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,400
covered a story oh my gosh can we

1180
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,800
on this network well let's let's really

1181
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,240
think twice about that so

1182
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,200
so informing the masses takes takes the

1183
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,800
back seat versus

1184
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,720
do we want that connection with another

1185
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,240
outlet so i'm sure

1186
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,560
it plays a role there i think though the

1187
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:08,319
bigger challenge that i would see with

1188
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,119
journalists

1189
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:12,240
is this topic when it comes to ufos and

1190
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,040
uaps

1191
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,560
is so complicated and it is so

1192
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,599
in depth how can you do that in

1193
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:22,160
you know 900 words or whatever their

1194
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,720
article

1195
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,760
is and so it's overwhelming and and you

1196
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,440
see a lot of journalists that that want

1197
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,000
to just come in and do a really good job

1198
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,880
but it is so overwhelming because you go

1199
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:34,560
in and you like who do you believe look

1200
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,200
at

1201
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:37,760
hashtag ufo twitter just as a starting

1202
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,400
point

1203
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,319
you know you look at the at the world

1204
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,480
war three that goes on there

1205
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,880
with some of these topics remove

1206
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,480
yourself from that for a second and look

1207
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,680
at it from the standpoint of a

1208
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,400
journalist

1209
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,960
how do you make sense of that and some

1210
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,640
of the bigger stories that we banter

1211
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,760
about

1212
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:56,560
regardless of of if we believe it or not

1213
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,960
just

1214
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:00,000
lacks the evidence to support the claim

1215
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,760
and i remember there was a lot of hoopla

1216
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,200
going what five

1217
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,359
six months ago or whatever it was about

1218
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,040
the wilson davis documents

1219
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,520
and how that leak was going to end up in

1220
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:10,880
the new york times

1221
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,160
and there was this gigantic explosion of

1222
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,839
excitement that the new york times was

1223
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,680
going to blow the lid

1224
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,319
off of uh you know this this particular

1225
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,599
document and

1226
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,760
and so on and so forth and what happened

1227
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,280
absolutely nothing

1228
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:28,000
because the evidence just wasn't there

1229
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,280
in my opinion

1230
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,599
my whole point is that to a journalist

1231
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:32,960
it's so

1232
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,839
challenging because you don't have a

1233
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,040
month or two

1234
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,119
essentially to write this story for for

1235
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,119
the majority of instances

1236
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,040
sure there could be some expose that

1237
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,960
that somebody writes for four months

1238
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,880
of course but for the most part when

1239
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:48,560
they're covering a story they gotta jump

1240
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,119
in

1241
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,200
they gotta like boom boom boom bang it

1242
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,960
out and then they're off covering

1243
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,319
you know the trial of the century

1244
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,240
somewhere else and so

1245
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,440
that's journalism right and and so how

1246
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,119
do you do that with the ufo

1247
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,040
topic and i think that that is one of

1248
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,079
the bigger challenges with all of this

1249
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,000
how do you condense it all into

1250
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:10,800
something that the general population

1251
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:14,800
can consume and like and i think that

1252
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,160
that that challenge translates

1253
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,680
into sacrificing journalistic integrity

1254
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,440
going to entertainment because it will

1255
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,359
swap be swallowed easier

1256
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,240
and that i think is is sadly the really

1257
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:29,920
vicious circle they're in

1258
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,280
yeah that makes sense you could even

1259
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,640
think about

1260
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,280
bringing in documentaries that were made

1261
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,280
uh on the history channel and such

1262
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,520
as far as this topic goes to get out

1263
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,800
there on television

1264
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,480
uh it's funny you bring up the wilson

1265
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,000
davis uh and

1266
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,680
i wasn't gonna but oh yes yeah because

1267
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,920
nothing's off limits with me ever so you

1268
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,359
know it's just sometimes

1269
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,800
things seem overly talked about

1270
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,640
and it can be a turn off for me

1271
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:00,800
sometimes but

1272
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:04,720
um the wilson davis documents is there

1273
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,560
anything in there that if it was proven

1274
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,000
um and i don't mean as far as like the

1275
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,440
you know the conversations like maybe

1276
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:18,160
a detail in there or something um that

1277
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,359
was proven that would

1278
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,000
kind of sway you a little more the

1279
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,920
reason i ask is because i found that

1280
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:25,760
there actually is a watch committee or

1281
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,319
there was

1282
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,440
a watch committee and that's got to be a

1283
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,200
hard thing for people to

1284
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:35,040
find out or know about so when i

1285
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,520
realized that i'm like someone has to

1286
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,720
at least be either really informed to

1287
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,920
hoax this

1288
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,400
or something because i haven't heard

1289
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,160
anyone mention the watch committee other

1290
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,359
than that document

1291
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,480
but they do exist yeah yeah the the

1292
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,839
problem with

1293
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,040
the documents for me is that it's

1294
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,760
it's it's just simply a document one of

1295
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,920
many that has come out over the years

1296
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,079
and you can draw parallels between what

1297
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,920
we know as historical fact

1298
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,160
and what is in these documents mj12 is a

1299
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,440
prime example

1300
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,560
and we know that a lot of those

1301
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:15,119
are fake i've seen a couple of them i'm

1302
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,680
not saying

1303
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,400
all of them are my my dear friend the

1304
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,160
late stanton friedman was very much

1305
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,160
convinced on those original mj 12

1306
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,520
documents

1307
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,839
i don't i'm not versed enough to go yeah

1308
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,280
stan was wrong

1309
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,119
well he put in a lot more research than

1310
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,800
i did and i reserve

1311
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,119
you know uh judgment on it just on the

1312
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,079
fact that i haven't put that much

1313
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:38,880
effort into those original documents but

1314
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,280
there

1315
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:41,520
are other mj12 documents that have come

1316
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,400
out

1317
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,480
that i feel very strongly they're just

1318
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:46,640
all a hoax

1319
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,400
are there factually correct segments

1320
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,800
of what i feel are proven hoaxes

1321
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,000
absolutely

1322
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,480
but does that in itself give credence to

1323
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,400
say maybe they are real

1324
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,200
and and in my opinion no uh when you had

1325
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,960
said nobody really talks about it but

1326
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,920
you had found

1327
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,720
evidence of of you know a watch

1328
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,839
committee

1329
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,880
uh where i would then politely counter

1330
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,079
back is say

1331
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,640
you found that evidence and if you found

1332
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,480
that evidence i could find that evidence

1333
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,160
a hoaxer can find that evidence

1334
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,599
or anybody can find that evidence

1335
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,359
anything i find anybody can find

1336
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,319
you know what i mean so so that evidence

1337
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,800
could potentially be known by somebody

1338
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,800
i think hoaxers for the most part are

1339
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,400
knowledgeable about this

1340
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,160
uh that serves as potentially a

1341
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,640
motivation for creating something

1342
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:37,119
um i got a lot of heat for a video i did

1343
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:37,839
on this

1344
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:42,400
uh exploring essentially the uh history

1345
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,960
behind the

1346
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,640
the wilson davis documents just to kind

1347
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:46,079
of give you know my audience a little

1348
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,280
bit of background

1349
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,599
but then put out there a plausible

1350
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:51,599
theory not anything i'd bet my house on

1351
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,000
and then

1352
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,720
sadly internet trolls translated to that

1353
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,000
that i was i was ready

1354
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,680
to go to the bank that it was a movie

1355
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:00,240
script but rather my point

1356
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:03,760
was to show that there is a perfectly

1357
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,880
and and just as plausible uh reason for

1358
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,520
these documents to exist

1359
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,680
and it could be for fictional reasons

1360
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,560
that it that it

1361
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:15,280
could absolutely have been based on real

1362
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,079
people

1363
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,599
with real elements but the actual

1364
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:22,079
scene if you will just didn't take place

1365
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,119
in in real life

1366
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,800
now of course a lot of people hated me

1367
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,599
for that and they still do in fact

1368
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,000
somebody said what's not worth hating

1369
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:32,400
somebody over but it is just speculation

1370
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,960
like everything

1371
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,680
sure yeah i mean and and i and i'm the

1372
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,040
first to admit that's as much

1373
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,960
speculation as it is to say that the

1374
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,400
documents are real

1375
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,640
and and those that have often touted

1376
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,240
that those particular documents

1377
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,400
are real and there's a long list i'm not

1378
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,559
in my mind trying to spotlight anybody

1379
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,839
in particular

1380
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,440
but there's there's a lot of people that

1381
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,200
say that those things are real based on

1382
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,359
on their evidence and so on and so forth

1383
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,400
and again they will pull

1384
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,319
well this is real that's a real person

1385
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,760
this really took place and so on and

1386
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,040
that's all great

1387
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,599
but the but the thing that drives it

1388
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,559
home for them

1389
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,319
are anonymous sources that they can't

1390
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,880
tell you about and that to me is very

1391
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:10,960
frustrating because then

1392
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,760
it's like well well why not but so these

1393
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,119
people are telling

1394
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:18,079
either this podcaster this blogger this

1395
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,280
whomever

1396
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,920
this secret insider highly classified

1397
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,040
information

1398
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,520
and then those people come out and say

1399
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,559
yep so these

1400
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,720
anonymous sources told me this is all

1401
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,640
true so just believe me

1402
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,240
well it doesn't work like that could

1403
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,079
very well be true i could absolutely

1404
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:37,040
be wrong and and all of this is 100

1405
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,680
genuine

1406
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,800
point yeah it's like but

1407
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,720
it's speculation at the end of the day

1408
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,920
on my end

1409
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,160
but also on those that are advocating

1410
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:48,559
and preaching that they're real and then

1411
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,160
to me i think we need more evidence

1412
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,760
than what's there and the anonymous

1413
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,359
source thing i've harped on for a long

1414
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,280
time and i'll continue to do it

1415
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,599
that is a huge challenge when it comes

1416
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,040
to these types of stories

1417
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,880
yeah especially because you can get why

1418
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,480
someone would want to be an

1419
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,240
anonymous but on the other hand it

1420
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,000
doesn't help the cause of

1421
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,000
uh validating whatever it is you're

1422
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,599
presenting that's yeah

1423
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:14,319
because anything just throw it uh you

1424
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:15,200
know

1425
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,359
i uh have a source yeah and so exactly

1426
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:21,520
and i remember a fun tweet that i said

1427
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,400
was

1428
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,400
uh my anonymous source says your

1429
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:26,079
anonymous source is wrong does that

1430
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,040
count for anything

1431
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,640
and somebody thought i was serious and

1432
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,599
they're like well i believe you're

1433
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,640
anonymous source

1434
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:33,200
over that one so i'm like no wait i was

1435
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,079
just kidding

1436
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,119
like i don't use novels right

1437
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,119
but but my whole point is is like where

1438
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,960
do you draw the line on on who or what

1439
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,680
to believe

1440
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,440
you know i mean anonymous sources are

1441
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,960
great they're used in journalism all the

1442
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,599
time

1443
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,839
on an hourly basis on all sorts of

1444
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,040
topics

1445
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,800
but to me anonymous sources should be

1446
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,880
used as a support

1447
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:55,280
not as a primary and when it's the soul

1448
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,160
meaning it's

1449
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,280
all based on that that becomes very

1450
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,920
very very challenging and and i know

1451
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,000
that i'm not popular in some circles for

1452
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,319
for speaking out against that but you

1453
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,000
know it's it's true and

1454
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,839
and the new york times's article when

1455
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,680
they started citing

1456
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,760
you know things based on harry reid with

1457
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,040
no quote and i think they had an

1458
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,559
anonymous source for

1459
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,480
confirming something else well what

1460
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,160
happened they issued corrections because

1461
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,319
they were wrong on attributing that to

1462
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:24,160
harry reid and then another one was i

1463
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:25,520
think anonymous source i think that was

1464
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,839
that

1465
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,599
article and then of course you had dr

1466
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,400
eric davis uh entwined in that as well

1467
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:33,599
so that's that's the mess that anonymous

1468
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,160
sources

1469
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,960
often cause uh when it comes to these

1470
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,400
types of stories

1471
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,400
another example is where you started our

1472
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,160
conversation today with the uap

1473
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,280
report in the 17 pages with mr elizondo

1474
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,880
being the exception

1475
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,040
uh pretty much everyone else who was

1476
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,040
placing a page count

1477
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,680
and speaking on authority was doing so

1478
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,520
citing anonymous sources

1479
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,119
right and and i linked to him in the

1480
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,680
article so again luis elizondo is that

1481
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:00,800
exception

1482
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,520
but the rest were all using anonymous

1483
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,400
sources

1484
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,400
and what was really interesting was to

1485
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,640
see the ridicule for

1486
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:11,680
posting the 17 page

1487
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,960
uh statement that i got from the the

1488
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,359
office that's handling my case but i

1489
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,559
didn't see anybody

1490
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,480
go to the other people that are citing

1491
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,160
these anonymous sources

1492
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,839
saying hey look you all can't be right

1493
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,280
so this just has to stop

1494
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,040
you guys either have to you know put up

1495
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,720
evidence or

1496
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,079
did you well good for me because i

1497
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,400
didn't and i apologize then

1498
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,640
i stand corrected i didn't i didn't see

1499
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,720
that but that's good to know

1500
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,280
because they they can't all be right you

1501
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,599
know even od and i could be wrong

1502
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,520
and and that's fine but not everybody

1503
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:44,800
can be right

1504
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,079
and yet you know that the sand gets

1505
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,800
thrown in generally one direction

1506
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,520
and and that's that's kind of a i would

1507
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,119
say a frustrating aspect to

1508
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,839
to some of this because when those hear

1509
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,520
what they don't want to hear

1510
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:02,319
uh it's lash out time and that's that's

1511
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,359
not good either

1512
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,960
but but again the going back to the

1513
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,119
anonymous source thing that's what makes

1514
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,440
so much of this challenging and then to

1515
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,760
journalists who really truly want

1516
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,680
to go in and do a good job going back to

1517
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,880
that question

1518
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:17,200
that's what they're met with a lot also

1519
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,079
is that people

1520
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,720
making claims and to any good journalist

1521
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,559
they'll say okay back it up and they go

1522
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,520
well

1523
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,359
can't tell you my source you know and

1524
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,520
that's that's going to result in a

1525
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,440
journalist just kind of clicking off and

1526
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,800
going all right let's just get done with

1527
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,440
this

1528
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:33,520
assignment and and move on and i think

1529
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:37,280
that that that's why we see a lot of uh

1530
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:41,440
articles that miss the mark um

1531
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,800
i would say you know having been

1532
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,480
following you on twitter and everything

1533
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,200
for for at least a few months or

1534
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:51,440
not i can i can say i've gone honestly

1535
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,240
back and forth

1536
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,720
on you and a lot of it is just because

1537
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,240
of the

1538
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,880
i think the what's lost in translation

1539
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,119
through tweets he'll read something and

1540
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,960
put a tone or an attitude on somebody

1541
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,800
that doesn't really exist

1542
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,640
yeah you know like i meet you now and

1543
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,079
you're a great

1544
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,040
super nice uh very thorough uh

1545
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,400
intelligent person

1546
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,880
and i can tell that you're working for

1547
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:17,040
the truth whatever that truth is

1548
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,960
because in the end if we get the truth

1549
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,280
it is what it is and there's no bones

1550
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,520
about it and that should be the goal

1551
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,960
um does it that does it hurt your morale

1552
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,079
when

1553
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:33,119
you find something that is truth and you

1554
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,000
just get

1555
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,200
crapped all over you know

1556
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,839
uh it's like like that for instance like

1557
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,200
you don't deserve that you're just

1558
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,400
trying to get truth

1559
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,400
you got 17 pages you got the email

1560
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:46,079
you're sharing it and then people just

1561
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,800
like

1562
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,720
ridicule you that that doesn't make

1563
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,319
sense to me

1564
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,240
uh it doesn't make sense uh it comes

1565
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,160
with the territory if i had a nickel

1566
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,000
for every time that happened you know

1567
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,680
i'd be a rich man

1568
00:54:01,109 --> 00:54:00,160
uh and and it will continue to happen uh

1569
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,119
and and the thing

1570
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,680
that i have stressed uh about this

1571
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:05,200
article that i wrote

1572
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,280
since day one is publishing or writing

1573
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,800
about something is not an

1574
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,839
endorsement of something it is the

1575
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,680
status of my case

1576
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,319
it is what it is it is a fact in the

1577
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,640
sense that that is what they told me

1578
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:23,440
that is fact no one can ever ever ever

1579
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,640
take that away

1580
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,920
that as it stands right now odni's

1581
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,200
official opinion

1582
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,960
or excuse me official stance i should

1583
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,200
say in a legal case

1584
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,839
uh is that there were 17 pages that are

1585
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:37,760
currently being reviewed

1586
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,480
now what they would not answer is

1587
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:42,480
whether there were photographs videos or

1588
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:43,599
any other media

1589
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,559
attached let's say a dvd that was handed

1590
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,240
over with 17 pages

1591
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,240
so that so that i can't and i put that

1592
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,280
in the article

1593
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,680
but no matter what however you slice it

1594
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,040
dice it or julienne it

1595
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,480
those are the facts as they've been

1596
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,079
presented to me

1597
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,000
and that's what i've published so to

1598
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,000
have people just immediately

1599
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,720
chastise for that or greenwald siding

1600
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,480
with the pentagon again

1601
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,280
well it's in and it shows a complete

1602
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,960
lack of understanding about what is

1603
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,480
going on right now

1604
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,160
uh but then on top of that it really

1605
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,079
shows me they didn't read

1606
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,400
what i actually wrote and what i what i

1607
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,319
wrote was just that a

1608
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,280
a statement of the facts as they have

1609
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,799
been presented to me

1610
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,000
uh with the uh open-ended

1611
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,240
uh portion of the article where i said

1612
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,520
maybe they're wrong

1613
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,520
that maybe something will pop up by the

1614
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,599
time my my case is over

1615
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,240
in my opinion that will not happen

1616
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,760
because the

1617
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,240
for a couple different reasons that that

1618
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,839
i won't bore you with all of it but but

1619
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:45,760
the short of it is that i just don't see

1620
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,799
that happening

1621
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:49,200
everything is too precise at this point

1622
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,920
uh

1623
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,640
the what are called ocas or the original

1624
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,640
classifying authorities

1625
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,079
and there are quite a few of them are

1626
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:57,760
all reviewing the pertinent

1627
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,280
sections of the 17 pages and potentially

1628
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,720
what other media may

1629
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,599
exist they're already reviewing that i

1630
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,440
have confirmation of it

1631
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,000
so for it to be at that stage and then

1632
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,079
my case ends and they go oops

1633
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:14,799
sorry like 300 other pages showed up

1634
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,200
well

1635
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:18,400
that's likely not gonna happen what i've

1636
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,040
stressed

1637
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,960
to those who are making the claims and

1638
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,880
holding strong that it's x amount of

1639
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:24,160
pages more

1640
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,480
uh and this goes to mr elizondo as well

1641
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,760
if there is a lie here

1642
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,720
that is being given to me in a case made

1643
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:35,680
under a code of

1644
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:39,119
federal regulations and they are lying

1645
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:42,160
and they withheld something and all of

1646
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:42,480
this

1647
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,160
isn't a spokesperson who says something

1648
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,319
and it's disproven later or they retract

1649
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,079
it or they they change their statement

1650
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,920
that's all frustrating but there's no

1651
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,520
accountability there because no one

1652
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,559
really cares

1653
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,480
i mean i laugh about it because that's

1654
00:57:00,870 --> 00:57:00,240
the reality like they've changed

1655
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,880
statements

1656
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,960
no one cares you know it's a flashy

1657
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,640
headline and it's really fascinating to

1658
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:05,599
us but that's it

1659
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,720
we move on in a legal case now you're

1660
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:10,400
talking about potentially getting into a

1661
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,200
court

1662
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,920
and that is the process that i'm that

1663
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,720
i'm in

1664
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,640
no i i'm not taking them to court right

1665
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:18,720
now but but if they deny

1666
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:22,000
everything or they give me 17 redacted

1667
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:22,880
pages

1668
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:26,079
and i have solid evidence that there's

1669
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,359
74 pages or 78 or 400

1670
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,400
if that evidence is there then i file

1671
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,720
and i go in and see a judge or we go in

1672
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,400
for a judicial review

1673
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,040
and those are the rights afforded to me

1674
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,119
under this code of federal regulations

1675
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,200
right so they don't fool around with

1676
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:46,880
stuff like this mistakes happen

1677
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,680
absolutely but when it comes to this

1678
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,640
level

1679
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,799
they don't fool around it should also be

1680
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,000
noted uh this was not

1681
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:56,240
in the article but i'll tell you in your

1682
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,440
audience

1683
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,720
the spokespeople that i talked to would

1684
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,359
not give me a page count this was before

1685
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,040
my case got to a point

1686
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:07,680
where they confirmed it they would not

1687
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,079
the

1688
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,079
report as it stands even as you and i

1689
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,559
speak is in a classified form

1690
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,799
so to a spokesperson they're like nope

1691
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,720
no comment we we can't

1692
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,640
right that's why i had to go through the

1693
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:20,720
office that was handling my case to get

1694
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,359
it

1695
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,359
so they handle things in very very

1696
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,559
different ways

1697
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:27,200
because of the legal aspect so

1698
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,079
spokespeople

1699
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,799
can you know get themselves in trouble

1700
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,040
it seems like there's no accountability

1701
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,640
but if they start speaking about

1702
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,160
classified documents

1703
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,640
and they're not a reviewing authority

1704
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,319
then they cannot do that

1705
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,720
so the safety fallback is no comment

1706
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,319
which is what they did

1707
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,400
however the group that i deals with

1708
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,280
which is where i did get the number from

1709
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,680
that is a legal case and what they put

1710
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,880
in writing

1711
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,960
becomes essentially evidence that if i

1712
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,880
get to a judicial review

1713
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,559
there is nothing that stops me from

1714
00:59:00,789 --> 00:59:00,079
taking that piece of paper that they

1715
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,799
sent me

1716
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,960
and handing it to a judge saying there

1717
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,720
you go this is what they did

1718
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:07,280
however here's the evidence that someone

1719
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,000
else gave me

1720
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,119
irrefutable they're lying side with me

1721
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,119
you know and that that's how that works

1722
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,839
so seems pretty clear that

1723
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,720
uh 17 is the number and i'm sure there

1724
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,960
is just some sort of maybe

1725
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,599
confusion or telephone game or whatever

1726
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,040
happening on the other side

1727
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,880
it's just uh when when that stuff

1728
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,960
happens you know things would go a whole

1729
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:29,920
lot better if

1730
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:32,799
if folks were to just say i got my lines

1731
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:33,359
crossed

1732
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,400
i apologized yeah yeah it's

1733
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,240
it's going to be interesting to see how

1734
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,400
this all turns out you know and and

1735
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:42,720
to go back to your question quickly it's

1736
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,280
frustrating to see people throw

1737
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,680
sand either my direction or anyone else

1738
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:50,000
for simply reporting the current stance

1739
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,880
or facts

1740
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:53,440
as they're presented and and those quote

1741
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,559
unquote facts

1742
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,880
uh sometimes change you know and they

1743
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,319
sometimes morph

1744
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,400
uh and the story progresses but but

1745
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,160
that's the point is you just stick with

1746
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,319
the story

1747
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,640
keep keep pushing keep asking questions

1748
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,400
and keep pulling things out

1749
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,319
and and reporting as such i mean that's

1750
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,000
all you can do and

1751
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:14,319
i i've just actually posted this in

1752
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,359
response to something

1753
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:17,280
someone sent me today but posted it out

1754
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,400
there saying

1755
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,599
i wish that instead of chastising others

1756
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,000
people would would would take that time

1757
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,839
and invest that time into seeking out

1758
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,799
more evidence

1759
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,880
you know into seeking out more facts and

1760
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:31,440
to push the ball forward if you will

1761
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,880
um but hey i i can't tell people what to

1762
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,160
do i mean it's going to come with the

1763
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,520
territory and

1764
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,440
to finalize you know answering your

1765
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,520
question is it frustrating

1766
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,240
absolutely but it won't go away you know

1767
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:45,680
there'll be people that will throw their

1768
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,240
sand

1769
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,720
my direction and i'm not the victim here

1770
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:50,079
there's a lot of people that get sand

1771
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,040
thrown at them

1772
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:53,680
uh for for stuff that they've come out

1773
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:54,400
with

1774
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,400
and it just is what it is yeah well

1775
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,480
i think that's uh admirable my friend

1776
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,920
because you're not out there just trying

1777
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:04,079
to get clicks or likes or be the popular

1778
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:04,720
person

1779
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:08,559
or uh bring everyone's optimism up for

1780
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,319
you know it just put us all in some

1781
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,599
certain

1782
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,400
um emotional vibe uh i think it's very

1783
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:16,240
respectable that

1784
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,000
you'll take that crap in pursuit of

1785
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,200
of what you believe in can be true uh

1786
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,920
which is open-ended and that's why it's

1787
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,400
so

1788
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,440
admirable i appreciate that yeah

1789
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,920
and just adding things like i could be

1790
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,520
wrong or

1791
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:35,520
maybe this will happen later i don't

1792
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:36,880
think so but it could

1793
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:40,000
like you can't argue with that yeah you

1794
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,720
know

1795
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,640
yeah and i always try and stress that i

1796
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:44,480
don't have all the answers you know i

1797
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,200
really don't

1798
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:48,079
and and and you can only formulate

1799
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,720
theories

1800
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,400
and sometimes conclusions based on the

1801
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,240
evidence you have but when more evidence

1802
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,000
is presented boom i'm i'm

1803
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:57,039
right there i'm i'm all ears but i think

1804
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,400
the controversy comes

1805
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,119
with i since day one with the black

1806
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,039
vault and especially in the last

1807
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,000
five to ten years when i started really

1808
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:07,920
digging into certain topics with

1809
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,280
mind control and ufos what gets me into

1810
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,079
controversial situations is i tell

1811
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,319
people what they should hear not what

1812
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,680
they want to hear

1813
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,520
and and i think that there's a lot of

1814
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:21,119
people out there sometimes they're

1815
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,720
journalists sometimes they're bloggers

1816
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:23,760
sometimes they're

1817
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,839
you know youtubers whatever they might

1818
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,079
be uh and they tell people what they

1819
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,960
what they want to hear and and and they

1820
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,240
look they got a hundred more

1821
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:34,400
a hundred thousand times more followers

1822
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,520
than i do and

1823
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:38,720
and and probably making a lot more uh uh

1824
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,039
money just doing that i run a business

1825
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,480
away from the black vault

1826
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:44,000
uh that's how i make a living i don't

1827
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,520
make a living off of the black vault i

1828
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,480
never have

1829
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,799
uh it's all free it's why there's

1830
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,240
envelopes and

1831
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,079
books and and binders and stuff behind

1832
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:53,839
me this is my actual office there's no

1833
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,559
set

1834
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,720
my son comes in and sometimes places you

1835
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,839
know uh

1836
01:03:03,109 --> 01:02:59,760
stuff to because he knows daddy's on

1837
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:03,119
camera so he like rearranges stuff but

1838
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,880
other than that you know that that's

1839
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,640
that's what i do and and

1840
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:08,160
and that's the controversy tell people

1841
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:09,440
what they should hear not what they want

1842
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,920
to hear

1843
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:12,559
and some people will hate you for it

1844
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:13,440
yeah

1845
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,880
well um we are over an hour there is

1846
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,039
so much left i would love to talk to you

1847
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,799
about so i hope you come back again

1848
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,319
of course yeah absolutely there's a lot

1849
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:24,400
of i love great conversations like this

1850
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:25,440
so thank you

1851
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:28,079
yeah no i appreciate it i prefer to have

1852
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:29,680
conversations over uh

1853
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:33,520
interviews so um i think people

1854
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,680
in this subject mostly um

1855
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,599
it behooves them to not take extra time

1856
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,839
to get to know uh the people

1857
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:44,160
so and i appreciate you doing that so

1858
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,039
thank you

1859
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,799
yeah no problem all right john you take

1860
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,720
care we'll see you soon thanks you as

1861
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:50,160
well thank you and thanks everybody

1862
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:50,960
thank you

1863
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,440
bye so yeah that was awesome

1864
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:57,200
thank you john for chatting with us

1865
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,480
today that was great i

1866
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:01,280
actually wanted to do a doc of the day

1867
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:02,319
with them

1868
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:05,599
um but we just got we were just having a

1869
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:06,720
good conversation

1870
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:10,079
and i didn't want to interrupt it for

1871
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,920
for anything um yeah he's a good guy

1872
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,200
and he's he's really

1873
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:19,440
he's really in the weeds on this stuff

1874
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:20,240
you know

1875
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:23,839
so i think he

1876
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:27,440
is definitely more than worth your

1877
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:29,359
attention and worth following

1878
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:33,280
you need somebody that is trying

1879
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:36,799
to work

1880
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,240
this the right way you know

1881
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,880
otherwise we can just go off and do all

1882
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:44,960
sorts of different things

1883
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,599
and get hooked on all sorts of different

1884
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,200
theories

1885
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,680
and you have to be grounded in something

1886
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:53,280
you know and at least there's

1887
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:56,799
someone trying to do it the right way

1888
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,190
um and not to say that's the only right

1889
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:05,119
way i'm not saying that

1890
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,240
but i mean more so with the government

1891
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:10,960
with the people that have the secrets

1892
01:05:17,370 --> 01:05:15,829
so that he can take it and say look what

1893
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,380
you said bam

1894
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,039
[Music]

1895
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,640
so yeah i appreciate it i appreciate you

1896
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:23,680
guys coming here

1897
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:26,240
um and checking out this interview

1898
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,359
please

1899
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:30,400
like share and subscribe my channel

1900
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,520
um that would really mean a lot it goes

1901
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:36,559
a long way with me john doesn't get paid

1902
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,119
for this

1903
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:40,559
so you can imagine how much i do

1904
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:43,050
nothing so is um

1905
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,480
[Music]

1906
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,240
you know if you can share it and spread

1907
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,480
the love that's my payment

1908
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:51,200
is reaching more people i'm on twitter

1909
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,079
instagram

1910
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,280
and here on youtube thanks megan

1911
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:56,960
i really appreciate it she's so sweet

1912
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:00,240
she gives me something every day

1913
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,240
uh very kind so

1914
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,480
yeah so pay attention to him pay

1915
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,920
attention to what he gets

1916
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,680
pay attention to how he gets it if you

1917
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,520
want to do something like that yourself

1918
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:14,160
i look at documents and stuff like that

1919
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,440
um but he has

1920
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:18,480
so much over my knowledge so maybe next

1921
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:19,599
time we'll get them back

1922
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,480
and and zone in on that aspect a little

1923
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:23,520
bit

1924
01:06:29,810 --> 01:06:26,799
so um

1925
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,820
yeah with that being said we are

1926
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:31,119
[Music]

1927
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:39,990
and i really missed my

1928
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,359
chat verse you know every day lately

1929
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,520
it's just been myself and the

1930
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:47,520
in the chatters and we have a good time

1931
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:48,880
and we get to know each other

1932
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:53,440
and uh i miss that today

1933
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:01,430
don't worry voodoo get your mama you can

1934
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:07,670
um but tomorrow we'll come back with

1935
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:14,870
and um

1936
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,319
what the heck is that and

1937
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:20,640
we got a lot of other stuff on tab too

1938
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:21,440
so

1939
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,160
um stay tuned hell yeah i can do a whole

1940
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:29,520
i can do documents of the days

1941
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:33,200
if you want just hour at docs oh yeah i

1942
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:34,480
have some pretty good ones too

1943
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:38,880
actually so um i'm excited for that

1944
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,319
um but yeah john would have been great

1945
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,400
to do that with but you only have an

1946
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,720
hour and you know my main purpose here

1947
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:49,039
is to try to shed light on

1948
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:53,599
um people and who they are you know so

1949
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,920
just like the intro tunes thanks me too

1950
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:57,680
really

1951
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,760
um so that's my goal here is to try to

1952
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:03,440
help with that so people can actually

1953
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,559
learn who these people are um that

1954
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,720
are doing their different things because

1955
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,000
you can't really judge a person

1956
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:12,000
without knowing their intent and it's

1957
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,440
hard to know what their intent is

1958
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,280
if you don't know who they are as a

1959
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:16,880
person

1960
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,319
so that's why i do this that being

1961
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,520
said i appreciate all here at

1962
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:26,960
robert redford voodoo kitchen mama um

1963
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:30,719
christopher tj carlos

1964
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:34,400
uh seth naughty seth josh b

1965
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:38,719
um og skywatch

1966
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,480
megan um surfsike

1967
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:45,040
karen justin thank you so much for

1968
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,159
coming here greg

1969
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:48,319
i didn't see you but if you're here

1970
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,279
thanks brother

1971
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:52,480
i appreciate it

1972
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,759
um yeah we'll see you next time uh we're

1973
01:09:04,829 --> 01:08:56,640
gonna go

1974
01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:09,189
time

1975
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:20,229
i am witness citizen

1976
01:09:40,639 --> 01:09:21,120
witness citizen

1977
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:42,070
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1978
01:10:01,860 --> 01:09:56,470
and ladies and gentlemen the document

1979
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:01,870
of the day it's the duck of the day

1980
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,719
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